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hello

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and welcome to episode number 16 of the

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point of convergence podcast

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as always i'm your host exo academian

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for almost as long as human beings have

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been attempting to document and study

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what is often collectively termed high

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strangeness

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it has been assumed that various

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phenomena should be studied

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separately as distinct fields of inquiry

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thus when researchers wanted to conduct

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research

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and or look for evidence suggesting

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human consciousness could survive bodily

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death

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they would do so by isolating factors

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only related to that particular

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inquiry and if

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for instance another group of

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researchers wanting to investigate

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the psychic and personality effects

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brought on by supposed contact with

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non-human

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intelligence they would proceed by only

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considering factors related to that

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narrow field of study

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it was assumed this was the best way to

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proceed so as to tease out data that was

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already

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difficult to ascertain because these

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kinds of phenomena

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tend not to be easily reproducible under

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however almost by accident when data was

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compiled and looked at as a whole

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it was discovered that various

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presumably unrelated forms of high

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seemed to correlate with each other

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somehow that is to say

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a person who'd experienced one form of

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high strangeness

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was much more likely than say a random

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person from the general population

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to have experienced other forms of

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paranormal phenomena

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as well interestingly this curious and

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surprising result

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has persisted even with rigorous

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controls in place to ensure other

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artifacts

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aren't creeping in to corrupt the data

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and as a result a new paradigm has

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one so new that we're still really

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getting acquainted with questions

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around how one might study this apparent

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connection

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and what the implications might be in

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terms of our framing

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of ultimate reality

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sometimes even beyond this astonishing

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correlation in the data

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these various anomalous phenomena

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in the same single experience that is to

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not only is person a more likely than a

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person from the general population

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to have experienced two or more

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seemingly distinct forms of high

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strangeness

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but sometimes these paranormal effects

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are observed

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and experienced in the very same event

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one such example of this kind of

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mind-boggling event

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reported on numerous occasions by

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non-human apparently alien intelligence

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meeting the others

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this apparent point of convergence

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between what were previously assumed to

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completely unrelated forms of anomalous

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phenomenology

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is as mind-bendingly confounding as it

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interrelated modalities

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such as these is ideal fodder for a

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such as this an exploration of these

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kinds of encounters

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bewildering implications that arise as a

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as we begin this podcast episode a quick

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reminder about what we mean by contact

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here we're speaking of phenomena such as

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contact with apparently non-human

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near-death experiences out-of-body

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such as telekinesis

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sightings and interactions with the dead

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the premise we've been proceeding with

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on the point of convergence podcast

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because the data points this direction

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is that these are all related phenomena

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and point to something fundamental about

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and we're also proceeding with the

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notion that consciousness may be the

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bedrock that connects them all

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and speaking of terminology you'll often

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hear me referring to

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aliens now just to be clear i don't

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extraterrestrials when i say that word

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certainly part of it i also may be

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interdimensionals or some form of entity

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visitors these are all

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somewhat interrelated exchangeable terms

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and i basically refer to anything

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any entity any being any species

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that is not human and even more

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non-conventional human

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intelligence because interestingly in

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that free experiencer study

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the number one type of entity

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was humanoid basically looked human so

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contact with non-human intelligence we

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don't necessarily know that it's not

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human we do know it's not conventionally

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that's just a clarification on the

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as i stated in today's introduction to

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the podcast

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often these various contact modalities

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happen to the same person

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in other words one person experiences

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more than one of these

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often several this has been confirmed

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time and time again

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in the data and one such correlation

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is with the others aliens visitors

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whatever you want to call them

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and the dead people who have experienced

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the others the aliens the non-human

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civilization

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now i don't know about you but for me

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when i consider that statistic

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that somehow the others and the dead are

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related that the same people who

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truly fascinating

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astonishing it makes you sit back in awe

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and wonder what does it mean in terms of

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ultimate reality

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whitley strieber along with his wife ann

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put together a book called the communion

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letters which is a series of letters

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written to them by other experiencers

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and when it comes to the others and the

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dead they actually dedicate an entire

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chapter to just such a phenomenon

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now for any of you who've read

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streamer's work you're very familiar

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with his famous

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or infamous depending on your point of

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in new york state this is what strieber

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about experiences at that cabin quote

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among the half dozen or so group

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experiences at my old cabin in upstate

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new york

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there was a continuous link between the

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visitors and the dead

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in one situation seven people on the

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ground floor of the cabin

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were having a conventional close

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encounter while a couple in the basement

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saw a friend who had died in an

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barnes was walking down the road in

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when she came face to face with a

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brother who had disappeared many years

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told her that he was well

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and then dissolved into invisibility

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before her eyes

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accounts what does it mean

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cabin that area of upstate new york we

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are aware that there apparently are hot

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spots where not only

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are ufos cited but sometimes other

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skinwalker ranch is just such a place

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indeed these kinds of places these

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various locations around the world

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are often called thin places meaning

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there is a porous nature to the fabric

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of reality supposedly in these places

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which allows an interaction between

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is that how we can make sense of this

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recounting streamer gave

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of one particular night or on one floor

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of the cabin

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a group of people were having a close

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encounter with alien beings

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while at the very same time on another

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floor of the same cabin

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on the same night another couple were

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having experience with a deceased human

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being

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did the portal open up and allow various

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entities

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to spill out perhaps that's one

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possibility

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serve as a kind of conduit

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and that they actually are the magnet

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and the portal that allows different

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entities to interact with us

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perhaps whitley strieber is just one of

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those people

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and we'll touch more on the

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possibilities later

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for now let's move on to another letter

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within this chapter

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on the visitors and the dead within

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strieber's book the communion letters

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this letter is about an interaction with

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a dead brother

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and i quote i'm 22 years old and was

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and raised in a suburb of a big city

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after nineteen years i met my father

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and then learned that i had a

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sixteen-year-old brother who was killed

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in a hit-and-run

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accident his name was donnie i'm writing

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you with the hope you can shed some

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light on a situation i feel is driving

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me crazy

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i'll start with a dream i had three

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years ago i was sitting on the sofa

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of my dad's at christmas time i fell

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asleep and suddenly the christmas tree

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behind me

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gave off a blinding white light my

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brother donnie

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walked out of this light and told me to

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be sure not to wake my dad

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and to follow him he led me to the back

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door

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and as soon as we stepped out we were in

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a wooded area

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as we walked down a path through the

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woods donny told me not to blame myself

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for not knowing him

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that he was always there when i needed

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him he talked more

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but i'm not clear about what he said the

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last thing

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he said was that there was something he

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had to show me he led me to a tree stump

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with a blue photo album sitting on it

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when i opened it i found numerous pages

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with pictures of ufos

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the disc shaped objects were brown and

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seemed to be bi-level

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with a row of windows on their top

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halves and a row on their bottom halves

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that looked to be tinted black

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the pictures all seemed to be of the

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same disc

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some of them were up in the air and some

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were on the ground with a door

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open and a light shining out of it all

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were close up shots

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i can't even begin to explain how real

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this was

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i even have trouble calling it a dream

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when i awoke my body was cold and i

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could still

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smell the night air as if i had been

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outside

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what concerns me is that this was more

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than a dream because when i described it

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to my dad

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he unpacked one of donny's boxes and

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showed me the same clothes he had worn

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in my

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quote-unquote dream i was fine for some

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time after that

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then suddenly i became paranoid if i was

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left alone for any period of time

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even in my apartment i would not enter a

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dark room without reaching around the

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corner to turn on the light first

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and i constantly felt like i was being

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watched from around a corner

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my girlfriend became concerned she said

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i looked like i'd seen a ghost

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when a car's headlights hit our living

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room window one night

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i remember my reaction but i didn't

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realize she'd noticed until she

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mentioned it a week later

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about a month ago i became fascinated

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with ufos

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i went to the library and checked out

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every book they had on this subject

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that is how i discovered communion you

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mentioned a little white ghost-like

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figure

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one night when i was a young child i was

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in the state of not being quite awake or

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asleep

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when a white hand came up from the end

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of my bed and grabbed my foot

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i shook it loose and when i opened my

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eyes i saw the hand go back down

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unquote now there are numerous

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fascinating aspects to this particular

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account

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and they touch on things we've talked

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about before

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for one we have this person recounting a

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dream that seemed to be more than a

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dream

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we've touched on this before and many

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people recount having dreams that

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somehow seem more

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real more substantial than our everyday

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waking world

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how do we make sense of this i would

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suggest

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it means that our understanding of

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states of consciousness is incomplete

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perhaps even quite wrong secondly this

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person talks about

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later on having a recounting

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recall of an experience when they were a

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young child

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and a white ghost-like gray small figure

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appeared in his room again even whitley

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strieber

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goes on to remember accounts uh with

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these

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others that happened ever since he was a

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child and as we've discussed in recent

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episodes

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often it even goes back generations

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but in terms of really interesting data

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points here we have a situation

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in a supposed dream like state where

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someone recounts

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a brother leading them into the woods

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but when he shares this story with his

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father

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clothes that this brother used to wear

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and they match what this person saw in

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the dream

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even though they had never actually met

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this brother nor seen those clothes

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before

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even more interestingly he leads him

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into the woods

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and shows him a photo book which is a

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collection of pictures of ufos a

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particular ufo

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and then from there this brother becomes

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interested in ufos starts researching

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them and later on starts having recall

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of his own encounters with ufos or ufo

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beings anyway

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that happened when he was a young child

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fascinating

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somehow it's all connected that's what

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of course whitley strieber has had

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plenty of time to think about

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the possible implications of these kinds

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of letters

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that depict experiences where people

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experience

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both the others or as streeper calls

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them the visitors

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as well as deceased relatives this is

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what strieber has to say

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in this chapter about the visitors and

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the dead quote

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this group of letters suggests at the

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least that the world of the dead

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is very close to that of the living and

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that it either uses the alien form as a

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disguise

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or is connected to alien life in ways

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that we are not

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in any case i believe that these stories

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and all the others like them

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are right at the heart of the mystery if

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we could understand the visitor

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experience

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i have no doubt that we would also

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understand ourselves

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our true history the meaning of death

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and the destiny

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now as strieber is hinting at here and

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as we've touched on before

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it may be that our connection with the

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others the visitors

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is more intimate than we imagine they

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may be us

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we may be them in some form or another

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and we may have lifetimes even as other

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kinds of alien species

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that even if reincarnation is real it

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doesn't necessarily mean that we always

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incarnate as human forms

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in fact this touches on another letter

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that was written to strieber in this

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book the communion letters

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and here someone talks about

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reconnecting with their cosmic family

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which again is very interesting and

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sounds very familiar to us

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based on previous podcasts and i quote

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in 1989 i was living in california

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on a cold saturday morning in october i

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saw an amazing sight

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in broad daylight i saw an oblong

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egg-shaped ship

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maybe 30 feet long moving slowly up the

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canal

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it was easily 30 feet above the water it

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moved at about 8 miles per hour

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and acted as if it didn't have a care in

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the world

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it was blue and had oblong portholes

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down its middle

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from front to back this was never

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reported

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it was as if i was the only person who

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saw it in broad daylight in a populated

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area

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that was frustrating everyone thought i

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was crazy

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in 1992 i think i screwed up i was

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living in the heart of a downtown area

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i awoke at 3am to see one of your little

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visitor friends crawling through my

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window

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i don't know why but i said not yet i'm

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not ready

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the little guy just turned around and

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left and i fell back to sleep

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i had just broken up with the woman i

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thought was the love of my life

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the breakup was devastating

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psychologically i was a vacuum

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for the next three years i lived in

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isolation and spent every day reading

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every book i could

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on philosophy esoteric knowledge and

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religion

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literally hundreds of texts last year i

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had an amazing dream

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i was on a ship with people who didn't

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quite look like people

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about 20 of them they seemed overjoyed

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to see me

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one said you've been gone so long it's

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good to see you again

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i felt as if i'd come out of a state of

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amnesia

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as though this was a place i'd

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originated from

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i awoke then and the memory faded but

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not completely

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when i think now about the dreamship and

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those people

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i feel overwhelming love and a deep

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connection like family

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unquote now speaking of the visitors and

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the dead

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we would be remiss to cover this topic

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without discussing

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orbs now for those of you not familiar

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orbs are these kind of circular or

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spherical balls of energy that appear

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often with ufos they don't seem to have

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physical form they look more like

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balls of energy pulsating and vibrating

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there's some great footage online that

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you can find both pictures

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and video it has been suggested that

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these

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sometimes are either post biological

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entities that therefore don't have

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form or that sometimes they are even

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human souls that are in between

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incarnations

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and very interesting for today's topic

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again there's some great footage online

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chris bledsoe for instance has captured

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some amazing footage that you can find

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and again touching on the various

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contact modalities

549
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there are often very similar elements to

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these different experiences

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for instance let's consider near-death

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experiences and

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contact with non-human intelligence one

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thing that is common to both

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is often a life review yes we're very

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familiar that people who have near death

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experiences

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often see their entire life flash before

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their eyes

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and it's not just a visual experience

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they are able to

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feel every interaction they ever had

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that means they know how they felt and

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they also become aware of how they made

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others feel

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as a result of their actions in other

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words it's like full conscious awareness

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of everything that happens now that same

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kind of experience has actually been

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reported on ufos believe it or not

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that the other somehow can access this

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information and provide it to someone

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when they are in the realm of the others

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now speaking of experiences that are

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common to both near-death experiences

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and interactions with non-human

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intelligence

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in both cases people experience

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remembering

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larger aspects of who they are that

581
00:20:24,149 --> 00:20:22,080
means past life memories emerge

582
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and also a scope of history that goes

583
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beyond that lifetime even

584
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something else that's essential to both

585
00:20:32,470 --> 00:20:30,000
these experiences

586
00:20:33,350 --> 00:20:32,480
is that often both near-death

587
00:20:36,789 --> 00:20:33,360
experiences

588
00:20:39,350 --> 00:20:36,799
and contact experiencers become changed

589
00:20:41,110 --> 00:20:39,360
spiritually and psychologically as a

590
00:20:43,190 --> 00:20:41,120
result of these encounters

591
00:20:45,029 --> 00:20:43,200
now as we've touched on recently

592
00:20:47,669 --> 00:20:45,039
sometimes the initial change

593
00:20:49,830 --> 00:20:47,679
is to a kind of traumatic state because

594
00:20:52,230 --> 00:20:49,840
these are very shocking events

595
00:20:53,909 --> 00:20:52,240
but eventually it leads to a spiritual

596
00:20:55,750 --> 00:20:53,919
awakening for many people

597
00:20:57,830 --> 00:20:55,760
and in fact it changes how they live

598
00:20:59,190 --> 00:20:57,840
their lives that's the case both for

599
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near-death experiences

600
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as well as contact with non-human

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intelligence i.e

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00:21:08,310 --> 00:21:06,960
the others now as we step back for a

603
00:21:09,909 --> 00:21:08,320
moment and consider

604
00:21:12,230 --> 00:21:09,919
the fact that sometimes people

605
00:21:15,909 --> 00:21:12,240
experience the others the visitors

606
00:21:16,230 --> 00:21:15,919
as well as the dead deceased ancestors

607
00:21:19,110 --> 00:21:16,240
or

608
00:21:21,190 --> 00:21:19,120
friends in the same experience when we

609
00:21:23,590 --> 00:21:21,200
step back from that we consider that

610
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we also consider the common elements

611
00:21:28,390 --> 00:21:25,600
between near-death experiences

612
00:21:29,510 --> 00:21:28,400
and contact with non-human intelligence

613
00:21:32,870 --> 00:21:29,520
what does it all mean

614
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what can we say about it now some will

615
00:21:36,310 --> 00:21:34,880
undoubtedly want to point to screen

616
00:21:37,190 --> 00:21:36,320
memories that's what they're referred to

617
00:21:40,870 --> 00:21:37,200
as

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00:21:43,110 --> 00:21:40,880
given to someone

619
00:21:44,710 --> 00:21:43,120
that covers up what's actually happening

620
00:21:47,590 --> 00:21:44,720
so it's a false memory

621
00:21:49,510 --> 00:21:47,600
a false image implanted on top of the

622
00:21:50,789 --> 00:21:49,520
person's consciousness so they perceive

623
00:21:53,190 --> 00:21:50,799
something other than

624
00:21:55,110 --> 00:21:53,200
what is really happening and some people

625
00:21:56,390 --> 00:21:55,120
will suggest the others are doing this

626
00:21:58,549 --> 00:21:56,400
to deceive us

627
00:21:59,909 --> 00:21:58,559
again there is a group out there who are

628
00:22:02,310 --> 00:21:59,919
convinced the others

629
00:22:03,669 --> 00:22:02,320
are malevolent and that do not mean us

630
00:22:05,510 --> 00:22:03,679
well at all

631
00:22:07,029 --> 00:22:05,520
and that these kind of experiences

632
00:22:09,029 --> 00:22:07,039
including when they bring along

633
00:22:10,230 --> 00:22:09,039
our supposed relatives our loved ones

634
00:22:13,110 --> 00:22:10,240
who've passed on

635
00:22:13,750 --> 00:22:13,120
it's all a ruse it's deception meant to

636
00:22:19,270 --> 00:22:13,760
confuse

637
00:22:23,350 --> 00:22:21,669
now perhaps not surprisingly to you if

638
00:22:24,310 --> 00:22:23,360
you've been tuning into this podcast for

639
00:22:27,270 --> 00:22:24,320
a while

640
00:22:28,149 --> 00:22:27,280
that is not my perspective i think we

641
00:22:30,789 --> 00:22:28,159
can trust

642
00:22:32,149 --> 00:22:30,799
these experiences i think that when we

643
00:22:34,870 --> 00:22:32,159
get down to the

644
00:22:35,990 --> 00:22:34,880
way they transform us ultimately we see

645
00:22:39,029 --> 00:22:36,000
people being

646
00:22:41,750 --> 00:22:39,039
changed in positive ways to become

647
00:22:43,510 --> 00:22:41,760
deeper people less shallow people more

648
00:22:45,909 --> 00:22:43,520
spiritually integrated people

649
00:22:47,590 --> 00:22:45,919
more mature people more concerned with

650
00:22:49,510 --> 00:22:47,600
others than they were before

651
00:22:51,110 --> 00:22:49,520
these are good things these would be

652
00:22:53,510 --> 00:22:51,120
strange byproducts

653
00:22:55,190 --> 00:22:53,520
of a malevolent intention on the behalf

654
00:22:56,710 --> 00:22:55,200
of an evil species

655
00:22:58,950 --> 00:22:56,720
or a species that is completely

656
00:23:01,990 --> 00:22:58,960
self-serving here to bend us to their

657
00:23:07,990 --> 00:23:05,510
that said presentation does happen

658
00:23:08,630 --> 00:23:08,000
what i mean by that is i do think they

659
00:23:11,270 --> 00:23:08,640
frame

660
00:23:11,990 --> 00:23:11,280
our experiences in ways that help us

661
00:23:13,830 --> 00:23:12,000
grow

662
00:23:15,990 --> 00:23:13,840
that what we're seeing and experiencing

663
00:23:18,390 --> 00:23:16,000
may not be the base reality

664
00:23:20,230 --> 00:23:18,400
is unlikely to be the ultimate reality

665
00:23:22,070 --> 00:23:20,240
that they experience and understand

666
00:23:24,390 --> 00:23:22,080
because we're just not there yet we

667
00:23:25,190 --> 00:23:24,400
can't perceive at that level what

668
00:23:28,230 --> 00:23:25,200
they're doing

669
00:23:30,710 --> 00:23:28,240
as guardians and caretakers if you will

670
00:23:33,029 --> 00:23:30,720
celestial beings if you will is they're

671
00:23:34,630 --> 00:23:33,039
giving us what we need to experience in

672
00:23:37,350 --> 00:23:34,640
order to take the next leap

673
00:23:39,510 --> 00:23:37,360
in our own evolution there is some

674
00:23:41,909 --> 00:23:39,520
creative force being employed here

675
00:23:44,149 --> 00:23:41,919
and like jacques valet i think it's

676
00:23:46,310 --> 00:23:44,159
largely psychical in nature

677
00:23:48,789 --> 00:23:46,320
but it is a creative force it does

678
00:23:52,630 --> 00:23:48,799
change us even if it happens largely

679
00:23:55,750 --> 00:23:54,549
and now i'd like to offer a couple

680
00:23:57,590 --> 00:23:55,760
additional thoughts for your

681
00:23:59,669 --> 00:23:57,600
consideration

682
00:24:00,789 --> 00:23:59,679
time and time again on this podcast

683
00:24:02,630 --> 00:24:00,799
we've discussed how

684
00:24:04,390 --> 00:24:02,640
elements of interactions with this

685
00:24:06,470 --> 00:24:04,400
non-human intelligence

686
00:24:07,750 --> 00:24:06,480
collapses categories that we used to

687
00:24:11,269 --> 00:24:07,760
think of as

688
00:24:13,110 --> 00:24:11,279
exclusive and absolute that goes for our

689
00:24:15,190 --> 00:24:13,120
experience of time for instance

690
00:24:17,350 --> 00:24:15,200
that in the realm of the others we move

691
00:24:18,870 --> 00:24:17,360
back and forth seamlessly into the past

692
00:24:21,510 --> 00:24:18,880
the present the future

693
00:24:23,190 --> 00:24:21,520
and we are told by them according to

694
00:24:26,149 --> 00:24:23,200
experiences themselves

695
00:24:27,430 --> 00:24:26,159
that our experience of time as linear is

696
00:24:29,669 --> 00:24:27,440
illusory

697
00:24:31,510 --> 00:24:29,679
and in fact even science now tells us

698
00:24:33,590 --> 00:24:31,520
that that is the case

699
00:24:34,549 --> 00:24:33,600
i think this is also true of states of

700
00:24:36,549 --> 00:24:34,559
consciousness

701
00:24:38,310 --> 00:24:36,559
we draw these hard lines between

702
00:24:41,029 --> 00:24:38,320
dreaming and waking

703
00:24:42,390 --> 00:24:41,039
but that largely is illusory too and we

704
00:24:44,149 --> 00:24:42,400
see evidence of this

705
00:24:45,750 --> 00:24:44,159
in these experiences even ones we

706
00:24:48,549 --> 00:24:45,760
discuss today

707
00:24:50,950 --> 00:24:48,559
finally this hard line between life and

708
00:24:53,990 --> 00:24:50,960
death that we used to consider

709
00:24:55,350 --> 00:24:54,000
absolute and final is proven to be

710
00:24:57,590 --> 00:24:55,360
anything but

711
00:24:59,510 --> 00:24:57,600
again what the others are doing here is

712
00:25:00,470 --> 00:24:59,520
trying to change our perspective about

713
00:25:02,549 --> 00:25:00,480
reality

714
00:25:06,070 --> 00:25:02,559
and perhaps change the way we live our

715
00:25:09,750 --> 00:25:08,549
and on that note we've come to the close

716
00:25:12,470 --> 00:25:09,760
of another edition

717
00:25:13,029 --> 00:25:12,480
of the point of convergence podcast as

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00:25:15,350 --> 00:25:13,039
always

719
00:25:16,630 --> 00:25:15,360
let's keep this conversation going and

720
00:25:19,190 --> 00:25:16,640
growing

721
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